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They have done it! 30/12/2009 09:05

What will wait for us through 10 new years?

Lihacheva: good morning, you are hearing “Finam FM” my name is Lena Lihacheva, hello. It seemed to me that everybody as well as guests of the program: “They have done it!” is dividing on three categories: people which are constantly refluxing and raking over the dust and ashes of the past; people who live in the present and this, probably, one of the best variants, but there are such people, which not at all live in the future, but people which thing about future. Today we invite to our program people, which firstly thing about future, secondly they have what to say concerning future, this, I suppose, one of the living topics on the eve of New Year, that’s why today, lady and gentlemen we are going to speak just about future, about what are waiting us there, in Moscow within 10 years. So, let’s introduce our today guests.

Status: today in new-year show “they have done it”: Garret Jonston, who loves Russian very much, who is Irishman, philosopher, anarchist and  polyglot, a progressive deejay of home parties, director of strategic marketing in MTS Company; Natalya Loseva, who was born in family of doctors, but she thinks that she is a real pressman, she strokes with data streams in the same virtuosic  way as she raises her son.  During several years she has been a director of Internet-Projects of “RIA news” agency. Arcady Pecarevsky , it is proved that after communicating with Arcady smoking people give up smoking, and sulky men break into a smile.
He is promoter and vice-president of SELA Company.

Lihacheva: Good morning.

Pecarevsky: Good morning.

Jonston: Good morning.

Loseva: Good morning.

Good morning. Directly I congratulate everybody with a coming New Year, and many thanks for your coming to us today. Let’s start with feelings, - what emotion you feel when you are thinking what expects us through ten years, Natasha? Let’s emotionally, like women, tried to set the emotional ton for our conversation.

You know, not long ago, my students and I discussed a tempo of changing of technology and means of communication for last ten years, from beeper and to the modern nowadays   BlackBerry technology, MMS and others. And we understood that we were talking about that such a concentrate time, such an intensive trend of changing never have been in history because for ten years the script of information perception has been changing, the scripts of communication has been changing completely, from beginning to end. That’s why, when we are talking about the future, about what’s happen through ten years, we can’t even imagine it- because any prognosis, which you make today, any script which you write today might be surpass by reality, that’s why we can only guess some tendencies and think over how human information perceptual psychology would change and how the technology would change under this psychology or how the psychology would fit into the technology.

It is really important question- How do you think: the technology would fit into human psychology or nevertheless some reverse process would be and we would have to fit into that what would close round us, how do you think Arcady?

Pecarevsky: I have understood that the topic of conversation has been set, isn’t it? Philosophy, technology, human being. I like one expression- when we talk about the future, we talk about some plans, we plan something, I like this expression very much: if you want God to be to move to laughter - tell him about your plans”. Certainly, I agreed what time is a key word, which we should name and discuss, it transforms into some another substation to which we used to.
We understand that time has its own speed now, indeed, for ten years might happen that what has happen for previous hundred years. That’s why to talk about what would happen trough ten years, is the same with this joke; but in terms of philosophy, when we begin to think- who would fit into whom, let’s understand what the technology is. You know, somebody tells “idleness   is stimulus to progress”, the technology is that thing what come to our life and make it easier, that’s why I think that it is a harmonious process of movement toward to each other that there was no tailoring. That’s why if you are suggested by something more convenient, comfortable and so on, in this case tailoring doesn’t happen, it flows some kind of harmonious process.

Lihacheva: Garret, you really think so that this process would be only harmonious?

Jonston: No, look, for somebody- for example for criminals on the streets it would be not very harmonious, for the reason that now, I am telling about West now I don’t know about Moscow, but about West- everywhere there are cameras, and these cameras record four and twenty hour per day, and on the street there are these cameras number of theft, attack against people and so on is much lover. If I  have seen developments of phone "Nokia", I can imagine which they would be through three- four years, all of them would be equipped by camcorders, they would be recording all the time, you would be able to send that visual to your site, for example  Facebook or to anywhere you want.


Lihacheva: Do such nonstop camcorders exist? 

Jonston: they is stop, but if they would photograph you in that moment when you are making love, you would not to send it, however there would be such people which would want to send it there, but I want to say that everything you do would be fixed, that’s why for criminals it would be not very harmonious. Or if you want to jump through twenty three years to the future, I can imagine such a glasses which would show you everything you like, for example you would want to know where you would see modern art, the glasses show you, at the same time when you would come to the shop that glasses with help of camera would show you the facts about that salesman: conscientious or not. Like today, you looks for the hotel and you know this hotel is bad this is good because people just write and after some intellectual engineer analyzes all these comments and gives  rating. The same would be with every kiosk, every shop, that’s why an unfair salesman would be punished, but now this information is lost, especially for foreigner which have come here and know nothing even Russian language. That’s why for unfair people it would not to be very harmonious.

Lihacheva: But can’t you imagine Arcady that some rat comes in one of your shop?

Jonston: in the literal sense of the word?

Lihacheva: No, but very unpleasant woman in a bad mood, she gets out of bed on the wrong side, she supposes a salesman to be unfair. She make a note somewhere and this note is the stamp on this poor guy, who means no harm to anyone, just this woman is in a bad mood. She puts on him the stamp- there is no harmony it all, what do you think?

Pecarevsky: Don’t worry about it, look: if there is somebody who writes these programs, I think we manage to find people who would correct them.

Lihacheva: It is the most interesting moment who determines, who writes and who would be designated for that some note in man’s file would have been there during all his life when other just would be deleted.

Jonston: Certainly, it shouldn’t be abused. But in time, I think, they would manage to understand from what IP- addresses notes would be send even by style, word analysis and so on, they would manage to understand if somebody would influence on the process. I mean to say that there would be more open information, in much more analyzed form than now for any person.

Lihacheva: Natalia wouldn’t you to continue? 

Loseva: Truly, Garret has tackled a very important topic, informative transparency topic, firstly system which involves us, secondly changing of philosophy of getting relation with information, in other words, today audience sees this in market of mass media every day, this audience which works not only for reception, but firstly for delivery, that’s why today about what should we talk about? Firstly, we should talk about that all the tendencies leads us to get some common information medium near five-seven years, today there are TV, computer, phone and est. We come closer and closer to conception of common one information medium, which permits us unfold, there are different conception, there are conception of flexible screens, there are conception of holography, which permits to unfold a film, running at the nearest cinema house and some videophone, and to pass the information. It is the first, the second- audience today are ready to influence informative area, and she wants to pass.
And that’s why for means of mass media, for other public information mediums are interested in the question of reaction against unchecked, unfair information, even some illegal information, slander or just manipulation data. In this point I suppose fundamental fracture to happen.
 

Lihacheva: But don’t you think that according to this idea there would be just some random motion of these streams; probably there are must be some rules for people, which are in these streams, and even for these information streams, Arcady?

Pecarevsky: This is a real double story- on the one hand a unique of our life in a unique of any person. There is such foreign word “privacy”, it is some peculiar unique and some peculiar world. Obviously, we can’t stop a development of these technologies. When I heard that a whole world objected to Dolly’s cloning, unfortunately, I understood, that she would be clone anyway, because science is impossible to stop. It’s the same with development of technologies that we understand that in the future this privacy would be maximally lover and a men would be maximally open to the world.

It is clear that today, when men is travelling, with the help of the phone it is possible to learn where he is, clear that these phones are knocking the door, everybody would have it soon. In this direction rebuilding of consciousness thinking, probably, would help us to manage, and we would adapt, although it is obscurely in what way. It’s a real pity to lose it, but there is only one danger, we begin to talk bad about criminals, but truly, it is not so bad, there is another danger- if a very man or humanity taking new technology would think about where these technology should be direct, because the most dangerous way of development- if technology would not direct to development of humanity, brain, but to development of destroy system, armament and so on.

Lihacheva: Or, as variant- to quantity input of pleasures for humanity.

Pecarevsky: Is this bad or not?

Lihacheva: That’s the question.

Loseva” it is a question.

Lihacheva: Let’s try to answer on this question within one and half minute. I introduce our today new-year guests one more time: Natalia Loseva , deputy director of incorporate editorial staff “RIA news”, Garret Jonston, the main person in marketing in “MTS”, and with us today one of the part-owners, vice-president of Russian Company “SELA”. Within one and half minute we will be in studio “Finam FM” again.

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Lihacheva: Good morning once again. You are still listening to “Finam FM”, the address of our site is www.finam.fm. Once again I introduce our guests, today with us  Natalia Loseva , deputy director of incorporate editorial staff “RIA news”, Garret Jonston, the main person in marketing in “MTS”, and with us today one of the part-owners, vice-president of Russian Company “SELA”. Once again I want to wish you good morning and thank you for your coming today and happy New Year to everybody. We have stop on such a moment of dangerous, which can lie in wait for us within ten years old. Natalia, what is the biggest danger for your opinion for… I don’t know, particularly, humanity, some strange man, well for your son, when he grows up, by that time how old he would be?

Loseva: Within ten years he would be twenty five years old.

Lihacheva: the sweetest time.

Loseva: I begin with advantages, as soon as my son is going yet to study in Medical Institute and become a doctor, certainly, within ten years I wait for penetrations in this profession. By that time, I hope technology would be as concentrate that we would be able to pass on some next period of relation with organism and health. Another consolation is that such intensively developing areas are self-regulated, and I think that we always would find some opposition, which society and people would suggest by themselves, against any challenge. Agreeably, risks would be if somebody clever, fair and wise in his intentions would try to regulate it in spite of lows of self-development, lows of morals or rules of the game. This is, probably, the most dangerous thing, because such a embryonic area is very flexible, very volatile, she can be restrained by some manipulators, to begin with a very local level, a man, who is administrator of some community, some company in GG and to finish on Chiefs of State.

Lihacheva: Wait, I still want to ask the question: who, as you think, would fix or who fixes it even now, rules of regulation of existence, so-called area, information streams name it as you like, let’s look on Internet- anybody tries to regulate Internet, but as I think, Internet can be regulated by only one way- just cut it, as it has been done in some countries. To regulate it according to some rules, even if they are very humane, moral and so on, practically it’s impossible. Am I mistaken?

Jonston: I think that Internet is not very controllable, but you know, Internet is such a infrastructure, as autobahn system, for example German autobahn system- only  limitation- that
Truck can’t be wider than nine meters. But all kinds of trucks and cars and motorcycle with all kinds of passengers, with all kinds of destination points can go, to regulate it is no easy matter. An interesting case happened in China last year- China authorities tried to organize such a green angel, I forgot what was its name, something like agent, which would be fix on every computer, connecting with China Internet, which expected to regulate content, in other words information, especially content of foreign countries, and there was such a outcry even in obedient China, such a outcry, and the main thing- bottom-up, and made Chinese Government step back. It is very difficult- for them to step back, all the more before young people, you cannot imagine. If you know Chinese culture, you understand that it is a bad facer, that’s why they have to do it, that’s why Russian authorities have understood it, I don’t see in this situation nothing special, when people write what they want. I often act, people think “what a full” and write. I like it to write this.

Pecarevsky: It is advertising, we can’t avoid it.

Jonston: latitude.

Lihacheva: But will you lead us to the topic time, will you?

Pecarevsky: I return to sheep for the beginning, yes, she has been clone anyway, ever we so object to it.

Lihacheva: You seem to have respect to it, is it something private, isn’t it?


Pecarevsky:  No, not in the sheep…

Lihacheva: Probably, you save money?

Pecarevsky: But there is an absolute interest to global evolution, that’s why we should have the aim. We should: the first- bring positive to the planet, make our life better, as one today famous producer has done, I am perfectly sure that these processes can be regulated.

Lihacheva: By whom?

Pecarevsky: That’s the question by whom, there are such questions, which have no direct answers, but there are some analogies. I want to give you two analogies: ten- twenty years ago, when our chain was expanding, suddenly, I with wonder began to discover that in special days, obscurely what they were, rescues was mounting together in all the shops.

Lihacheva: You also cannot check yourself from advertising, can you?

Pecarevsky: I don’t name these shops; I don’t say that in SELA shops, rescues mount in special days.

Lihacheva: No-no, you have not say this.

Pecarevsky: I didn’t say it. This is the first and it is strange why it is happening. May be it is connected with weather or wages, but I don’t think so. Let’s continue- we know that in some way, accordingly to some rules, which we haven’t known earlier, these backwaters-low tides happen on the planet. Why? Later we learned that Moon influence on all these: backwater it would be or low tides. This, what about we are talking, it is also a process, which certainly would be regulated. I think that in ten years if you invite us, we will be able to tell you who will be the very regulator, which isn’t established now. But in due time one English councilor worked in our company, he was liege lord, manager, a man who had thirty years experience in management abroad, he told me “Arcady, there are tree level of knowledge. The first level: we know that we know. The second level: we know that we don’t know. But there is the third level: we don’t know that we don’t know”.
And many people come to this the third level of knowledge, but can’t go through this door. But when you suggest, create for yourself an admission to that there is something that you don’t know, but what does this admission mean? It means that you have create some emptiness inside, that you are ready to take something, today while your values wasn’t meeting a system, the very matrix, which are given to us in different countries, but we understand who we are.

Lihacheva: Natalia, do you speak about it, that the system is self-regulated or about something different?

Loseva: I think over the thing that there is community of people, structures, classes, which anyway influence this area and probably, some of them do it unwittingly…

Lihacheva: Such unconscious collective or somehow conscious.

Loseva: This is unconscious collective, let’s call it by name. Let’s begin with technology- people, which produce new equipments, programs and in such a way influence script of consumption of information or its creation. This is audience, which is into opinion leaders or itself is opinion lead, which things that it should be so without a choice, public opinion in such a way influence mass media for example, which already…

Pecarevsky: It is the question of policy.
Loseva: It is no policy, it is named civil society. If we are talking about policy, we have many authorities, which consider they to be competent for trying to regulate Internet; these people are in the state dome. Unfortunately, not so many from them are capable of grasping in the problem.
This is a good business, which understood that today there are some perspectives of investments and they suppose a profitable for themselves scripts, which can suggest to society and economics. That’s why; you know, endlessly, there are big and small groups, which, somehow, influence this area. But for that appeared one big customer, which…

Pecarevsky: Like Moon.

Loseva: Yes like Moon, which would say: “So, creator, laws must be like that, in economic- like that, in civil society- like that”, in such a way.

Lihacheva: You know, Natalia, I have a sensation that Arcady spoke about some different things, it is clear that it isn’t some hypothetic Moon, we mean, probably, maybe I am mistaken, Arcady, that these streams are not dependent on human regularity.

Loseva: Absolutely.

Pecarevsky:There are laws, which we can’t know today.

Lihacheva: Yes, we may say- this is some mystification, any person name it in a different way for yourself, if a person believe, if he don’t believe, if he is atheist, but it is something that we can’t explain by Russian or English. Garret, what is your opinion in this respect- is it people who regulate highest sense? In what way it will happen in ten years? Let’s have a break on three minutes, after that Garret voices his third opinion in this respect. I introduce one more time our guests before short news. Today with us Garret Jonston, who is the director of strategic marketing in MTS Company; Natalya Loseva, a deputy director of Internet-Projects of “RIA news” agency, and with us today Arcady Pecarevsky, he is promoter and vice-president of SELA Company. In three minutes we will be in “Finam FM” studio again.

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Lihacheva: Sorry, we discuss now an opportunity to go to smoke while the break, because all our guests want…

Loseva: No, you are wrong. Two of our guests don’t smoke.

Pecarevsky: This one wants to make the problem.

Lihacheva: Garret, wait for some minutes, please. I introduce again our guests, smoking Garret Jonston, unfortunately…

Jonston: tobacco- smoking.

Lihacheva: Yes tobacco- smoking. This is the great difference.

Jonston: nonsmoking as yet.

Lihacheva: the director of strategic marketing in MTS, never smoking Natalya Loseva, a deputy director of Internet-Projects of “RIA news” and Arcady Pecarevsky, promoter and vice-president of SELA Company, also since recently nonsmoking.

Pecarevsky: But from the earliest time, during four years, but some time ago smoking.


Lihacheva: If you want to give up smoking, ask, as Arcady has said, one contact in a good sense, and you stop smoking the whole life. He knows some secret on this topic.

Pecarevsky: The main thing- to understand the word contact in the right way.

Lihacheva: Yes. Let’s return to our topic. Garret, what do you think, who, how and with what kind of success will regulate the information streams and regions about which we are talking, in ten years old? I remind the topic of our program- “The future of people in Moscow in ten years old’.

Jonston:  I think, it will be a permanent battle-field between successful and unsuccessful attempts to regulate, we should understand, there were very interesting books. I when I lived in Holland and one Dutchman killed his wife and he was send to prison for seven years, he was writing a book, in the first day when he was discharged and walked in Amsterdam and just wrote about things, which were unnoticed by people, which walked there every day. It’s the same as with doctors- two years ago in Strasburg, a border between France and German, in hospital were a very bad patient, he had cancer of brain, and exclusive doctors which could operate him in time were in U.S.A, and they operated him through Internet, in other words telebait connection is much stronger then what we have at home, let them in real-time mode, operate a person. If we jump in ten years in future, I think, in Ireland, for example, don’t come to the doctors for money, for kudo, bad doctors only from money. If Chinese, Indian doctors will be able to operate though simple operations will be able to move into Ireland, without residence permit, without passport but every day. And if they can go to their homes every evening, but take for these operations the Ireland money, in that case no one unskilled Ireland doctor can work.
It is a very serious change, this point to the fact that even with Internet a gay, it doesn’t matter there he was born, if he connected somehow with normal infrastructure, any person can compete with the help of his brain.

Lihacheva: In other words do you think the more information the better for a person?

Jonston: yes, you know, the entire problem practically is not informative. For example cancer- is informative problem, generally, because if you manage to anticipate adequately, take the projective analysis, where he would be, when he have not start yet, what signs gives our body, individually. If a computer would be able to filter, analyze, in that case cancer wouldn’t be- firstly, it is the information problem. It is the same- Arcady works in the sphere of clothes, if we are permitted, we with him would talked about it before the program starting, if every person would be measured definitely- forty two size wouldn’t be in the shop, and there would be no need to discount fifty percent to have it sold, in other words a producer lose and a costumer lose. A costumer cannot find his size; a salesman cannot sell a thing which nobody wants- unsalable sizes. I just want to say if we would solve this problem, appearance of comprehensive body of data not only in communication area or biotechnology, nanotechnology, there are many different technologies and they meet each other sometimes, there are many horizontal things which happen. We can set no store- everybody sees that communication grows, but this thing, which is in nano- biotechnology, is not so evident but no less impotent.

Lihacheva: Yes, Arcady.

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Pecarevsky: I talk about mine again, I am talking about time, and all the more we are talking about ten years ago…

Lihacheva: in future.

Pecarevsky: About ten years in the future, you see this is time; this is travelling to the past and the future.

Lihacheva: This is your reservation, probably something personal.

Pecarevsky: It, probably, is not by chance, because my favorite book is named “nothing happens by chance”, that’s why what would happen in ten years? I don’t want to make you and your son upset, that probably there would be less work for doctors, if it would be at all. Let’s see: in my life many times I have faced…

Loseva: No-no, can I correct, because truly, it is also a very system question, how it would change, it is also the question of change, because you have heard Garret now, that the question of medicine would connected with a prophylaxis and computation. Because there is the process, which we can’t stop, these processes, which influence deterioration of ecology, increase of emotional wear and tear of stress-inducing man, that’s why we would talk about how to anticipate disease, how to estimate it, how to use technology.

Jonston: But it doesn’t recall Arcady’s words, because, if I take some analysis from you, it doesn’t matter what analysis, if I a usual doctor in Leningrad, anywhere, I can compare it with other cases of my professional experience- maybe there are such books, if I momentary take your analyses and compares it with all the analyses in the world, which have been taken for last five-ten years…

Lihacheva: Just effectiveness of a doctor rises, wonderful.

Jonston: And I can compare it in real-time mode with two milliards analyses, which are taken anonymous, and we don’t know whose are they, age, sex and so on are not specified. I make a diagnosis quicker as just a doctor. In other words doctors which would make the good money – they are not doctors which can cure, but doctors which can create new technologies  for treating, it doesn’t matter if it is preventive or not preventive, but doctors, which can think wider than just a concrete patient, which can create new system for preventive, for treating and so on. And these doctors would make good money.

Lihacheva: Friends, you are talking about the same.

Loseva: Yes, truly you are talking now about the concentration of time, concentration of changes, it turn to concentration skills, in other words society would need people with high professional level. And, probably, there are would be some social changes, you see, we suddenly would take some aristae of people- good engineers, technologists, genial programmers , because quality of training and quality of knowledge are rising.

Lihacheva: I think that about it Arcady was talking, trying to make upset you and your son, who are going to be a doctor.

Pecarevsky: Faction would be changed. I don’t want to make you upset, but I was speaking about absolutely different thing. I was speaking that I personally, saw how people resolved problems of their diseases and cured themselves not by medical methods. I saw people, which, for example, I personally knew a man who cured the split in his brain without means of medicine; I faced with such things many times. Many times I faced with a man who said: “I broke my arm but it is a punishment for something”, more importantly, I know about experiments when in consequence of some stresses man’s blood type changes. That’s why I am speaking about patient in that mean in what we are talking…

Loseva: It seems to me that we should stop, because our topic of immateriality come very closely to topic of occultism, and it’s seems to me that it‘s very impotent because immateriality challenges, challenges which would be aligned with person’s search of his immateriality self-definition, the questions of creation, the questions of moral stone stones- it would be characteristic of time.

Lihacheva: You know it is an index- two men are speaking, they don’t listen to each other and don’t understand each other, because one of them anxious about technologies and about connecting with them things, perfectly applied things, you, Arcady, you have different interest, you are speaking in different language. I have a question: what do you think, the problem which we have to resolve is in the society and whether people would be defined on persons who would be sitting resolving some everlasting questions and other persons which would dissolve in these information streams and would leave accordingly another rules. And, probably, they would be so averted and their minds would be so broken that they wouldn’t have time, straight, emotion, desire to think about something everlasting.

Loseva: My reaction was connected with occultism which I consider to be very harmful, because I as traditional orthodox Christian I have another idea about the pillars of immateriality.

Lihacheva: I am not sure that Arcady has been talking about occultism now.

Pecarevsky: She understood it like that, yes, I see.

Loseva: Maybe. But repairer fingers, changing of blood type for me it is exteriority of orthodox immateriality, but truly it is good- that we are talking about, isn’t it?

Lihacheva: Natalia, you really think that information technologies can help a person to find himself, to find life support of morality, that they can provoke a person to thing about everlasting questions, but they would be vice-versa distract him. Again we return to this opposition, but, nevertheless, we have some position, in other words Arcady constantly returns us to topic: “Stop talking about technologies, it is not so impotent”.

Pecarevsky: But I want to say.

Lihacheva: Let’s Natalia will be the first.

Loseva: There is no contradiction, because technology- it is only instrument, technology- it is only a puppet in creator’s hands and the thing in what way we will use it, depending not on how we master it but on what moral or mental choice stands by it, because any technology we can use for good. You can use, if we choose the topic of beneficence, this a very good example you can use technology for absolutely brilliant fraud schemes through different benefits and we know this avalanche story with frauds, and you can use Internet as opportunity, the last cast of preparing impossible for poor family money which dying child needs.

Lihacheva: It is the main things that… yes, Arcady.

Pecarevsky: All our guests speak out and I want that there would be some balance, because the word “occultism” has been named, which doesn’t connect with the things I have told about. The first I recall that we are talking not about today, but about what would be in ten years. The second: this, about what we are talking, absolutely doesn’t exclude a qualitative observance and development of these very problems which we decide now. If we talk about for example clothes, it is absolutely right that we in parallel would do so that everybody would be identified, that he can use the most effective way every brand, we, for example, would be tried to offer goods, take measurements in advance, save them in the data base,  cybernation- this stands to reason. From point of view of religion- I have mother and father they are Jews. I can’t say that I am – Jew, though I am kind to synagogue, but at the same time I am kind to Christianity, I was in the holy places, even more I touched reliquiaes and I felt some changes. Even more, I was in Tibet, I was connected with Buddhism also I looked through. But I can say that in that means in which we understand all these- I am atheist, because I have my personal religion, it is not fixed, that’s why I have said in the beginning that everybody has his matrix.

Loseva: Are you atheist?

Lihacheva: Atheist who denies everything at all. You just is not of fixed confession, you are in search.

Pecarevsky: There are some matrixes which are put into us in childhood, that’s why what would be in ten years old, the status of our understanding today, and what would be later? Many of genius discovery on the planet was about this question, I have read they appeared on the planet for hundred years, for twenty five one student was writing some work, dissertation or defending began to alarm these questions, to read, because at that point in time when it was discovered he can’t understand.


Lihacheva: Let’s remember Leonardo Da Vinci who made…

Pecarevsky: But, you know, there are so many disputes who was the first inventing a phone- Popov or Bell.

Lihacheva: You know that phone was named the most useless invention in the year of his invention.

Pecarevsky: Why is it happen? Because in some moment of time some inventions are happening- somebody, something…

Lihacheva: As if area is curing.

Pecarevsky: At the beginning there was some information, then consciousness had cured, the consciousness understood, what was in question and accepted it.

Lihacheva: Are you sure you are not atheist, are you?
Pecarevsky: Imagine, five thousand years ago in medieval castle somebody fried some lamb after hunting, dancing and suddenly a stranger appeared like you and me and told about Internet, WiMax.

Loseva: I awfully like these stories, to think about it, time travel- is extremely interesting.

Pecarevsky: Not about a phone, about WiMax what they would say? “He is rather sick”, as Garret has said that he is written that he is full, but it is good. It’s the same story.

Loseva: No, imagine, twenty years ago you was saying Garret “Garret, dear, I made your foto by my phone”, twenty years ago.

Lihacheva: It means to be sent to hospital at once.

Loseva: Arcady photographs on the phone.

Pecarevsky: I remember as now: seventeen years ago I did sportfishing in the board near my summer cottage, my brother in that time was in China, he was busy with goods. I am ashamed of remembering it- I am in the board catching fish, but my brother in China with my goods. He calls me and I said him: “Boria, can you imagine, I am sitting in the board now in country side catching fish” that was 1995 year, may be thirteen- fourteen years ago, I said: “Could you imagine five-six years ago that you would be able, but I would be in the board or would gathered mushrooms talking with you?, yes, it is unbelievable! That’s why it’s very impotent today to exceed the limits of stereotypes, which we create today, to expand consciousness endlessly.

Lihacheva: What would be in ten years we sure would be shocked.

Pecarevsky: We give our ideas, but time- is the cruelest, but fair judge, we will see what would be, nobody gives the answer now.

Loseva: But I think that we are lucky that we are living in this concentration.

Pecarevsky: A changeable motion is absolutely in the whole world now.


Lihacheva: Natalia, a question: Are you as orthodox Christian afraid of time being more and more compact, it flows quicker and quicker because it is the sign of…

Loseva: It is the sign of final judgment, but what I should do? It means that the plank of requirements to you is higher. In other words as worthy you meet this offer of different opportunities, treatments, this is the main sum of life.

Lihacheva: Yes, Natalia, thank you. Let’s have a break for one and half minutes; after advertising we will be with our guests in our “Finam FM” studio again. . I introduce one more time our guests. So, the director of strategic marketing in MTS Company, Garret Jonston; Natalya Loseva, a deputy director of Internet-Projects of “RIA news” agency, and vice-president and the promoter of SELA Company Arcady Pecarevsky.

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Lihacheva: Good morning again, you are listening to “Finam FM”. With us today Natalya Loseva, a deputy director of Internet-Projects of “RIA news” agency, and vice-president of SELA Company Arcady Pecarevsky and Garret Jonston, the director of strategic markets in MTS Company. A moment ago we have a pause, while you was listening to adverts we remembered that we did not touched the topic of computer technologies, but we talked about it with Garret many times, Garret I ask you to tell us this intresting information.

Jonston: I told you last program as I think, that we only in seven- eight years from computer, which are equal meatware.
Lihacheva: Yes, probably, in ten years there would be this very jump. Say it one more time.
Jonston: It is very impotent; we are in ten years from computer, which would be equal meatware.
Time, passing between the idea that all the computers would be equal one meatware and the idea that one computer would be equal all of meatware is just ten years. And this very moment of time, this point of singularity, we have discussed it with you it is named technologic singularity. As soon as it happens and synthetic sense manages to create next generation of synthetic sense which would be much stronger. But for people it would take millions years. That would be the point, may be it would take no ten years but twenty, but it comes to us.

Lihacheva: Nobody knows may be it happens in five-seven years.

Jonston: Nobody knows but Google men thinks that it would happen, if I understand them in a right way, about in 2024 year, American  Government thinks that it would be in 2030 year, there are crazy people who think it would happen in 2018, but I don’t believe it, but after that point it would be difficult to imagine something.

Lihacheva: Natalia.

Loseva: I  have thought about that one of the most long shots in the situation which you are describing, and it is real, probably, it is such a triumph of puerilism, when in some moment people give up to think, they trust; in other words there would be no robots which come to us to conquer, like in horror film, but we would give ourselves to this synthetic sense and say: “Why should I choose, why should I think, I have a machine which do it for me?”

Lihacheva: May be I win up myself, I see such tendencies, yes, don’t you see them too, Arcady?

Pecarevsky:  For this we should lean the past, in this case we can retrospectively understand what would be in the future. If we watch a fantastic film, which was produced twenty or thrifty years ago or we think about what was hundred years ago and now we see reality, it is sensible to suppose that if we don’t change our mind in that case in the future would be predictable. For example this technogenic story when robots control the world and really, presence of computer leads as over this course. The aim of sense, I am speaking about human sense, to do so: either to change into some another stage, or not. Because I, unfortunately, suppose that if we leave, but it means that we from our idleness change decision mechanism and mechanism of responsibility and pass it to machines. And in that case there would be like in films and cartoons. Our aim may be a top mission- to say about it; probably today ninety percent say: “There now, they are crazy”, but I want to accent, that we are not people from Tverskaia, but people occupied serious business. It is very impotent- we are not romantics, flying in clouds, but we are people occupied real concrete business. We just give some our ideas about the future, may be it comes true, who knows? One drop and all may be change. And, probably, somebody one of people listening to us, when he would be in the moment of decision making: either to give decision making to machine or to think. He would choose right side. May be it would save people, because the most impotent thing which should happen- people must learn how to pass information from brain to brain. Because I experimented with business, I invited five people and gave them a concrete task, and no one did it in the same way. I, in due time, worked in the pit and there we had a cap with light and where ever you turn, light would be before you.

Lihacheva: It can't be true; do you work in the pit?

Pecarevsky:   Not for a long time, I studied in the Mountain Institute. And there was such expression that we also go through our life and outline what is before us. And as soon as people learn to pass their thoughts without distortion, that I for example wanted to pass Natalia and if she heard it without distortion, probably through the base of her Christian perception, that anyway we talked about the same and in that moment we would come through the dangerous point, this very cataclysm or apocalypses.

Lihacheva: The picture would be full.

Pecarevsky: Yes and we go this way today.

Lihacheva: Everybody would outline his small puzzle in this great picture by his small raylet.

Pecarevsky: And we will see, because Garret has said that there will be single computer, which will model common brain, our aim is that a computer shouldn’t be this brain it should be all of us, living people should find the connection with each other.

Jonston: Absolutely right.

Lihacheva: to take objective three-dimensional image.

And, besides, we find the way of saving the world.
Jonston: We are great realists for all that.

Lihacheva: Good. Finishing our program I want to ask you, Arcady and you, Garret and you, Natalia to wish something to our listener, just let’s avoid something like that: “I wish…”

Pecarevsky: Health and happiness.

Lihacheva: Health and happiness, peaceful sky above the head and so on. Let’s try to wish like for yourself, your close people and not to use this stamp. We anyway think about something like that on the eve of New Year, some miracle, this Christmas tree. We want something good what we can wish, let’s start with you, Arcady.

Pecarevsky: I look at 2010 year absolutely optimistically and I want to wish that next year would be the year of Big Dick for everybody.

Lihacheva: Garret.

Jonston: I want to wish to everybody to think over during the holiday what he or she can do in this life if he or she can do what bust gives us. Not sexual bust but what really can rev a man. May be it is graffito, may be a doctor, but in many cases it is not the same with a what a person do today. Just think it over and see in New Year – can I do it? And the second what I want to wish everybody- that he find time take his close people and keep them for five- ten minutes saying nothing, just changing energy with people it is a very useful thing.

Lihacheva: Thank you very much, Natalia.

Loseva: Beautiful words, I just want to join. Yes, I also want to wish myself and my close people and the listeners to have time for yourself- this time which we take from fuss and spend with our relatives, for talk, for silent, for walks, for thinking, for ourselves. And I want to wish and in this year before our intensive and so staggering future to save your individuality, your world, not to dissolve it, I think it is very…

Lihacheva: Not to waste.

Loseva: Yes not to waste.

Lihacheva: Thank you very much. And I want to wish myself to have in the next year such a incredible, clever, interesting, faerie, charismatic opportunities as our today guests. With us were today: vice-president of SELA Company, Arcady Pecarevsky, Garret Jonston, the director of strategic marketing in MTS Company and Natalya Loseva, a deputy director of associate redaction of “RIA news” agency. Thank you, take care.

Loseva: Thank you.

Pecarevsky: Happy New Year!

Loseva: Happy New Year!

Jonston: Happy New Year!

Lihacheva: Happy New Year!